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Clips Down Magic 107-102 in Overtime - Billups Injured

On the face of it, this is nothing but good news for the Los Angeles Clippers. An away win against a tough, big, unfamiliar opponent, against a team with one of the two or three best players in the NBA. They used their skill, and their guile to construct an unlikely, hard won, overtime victory against the Orlando Magic, a foe who seemed to have them stopped on multiple occasions.

But then there is reality. With 5:48 remaining in the fourth, Chauncey Billups, who'd hit five three-point shots already, went down untouched in the open court while turning to chase after a change of possession. The play went on, but Billups didn't get up. Time out was called, the Clippers gathered over their veteran teammate and finally they carried him from the court.

Slowly, as the game battle wore on, we learned that Billups had an "Achilles -related injury". After the game, Steve Kyler (from Hoopsworld) and later, ESPN delivered devastating, if somewhat incomplete news... Chauncey Billups has suffered what looks to be a tear in his Achilles tendon. Now, we have to be careful about this: all of our info, at this point, is conjecture. Until an MRI is performed tomorrow, we don't really know anything. But apparently, despite a rousing Clippers victory, the demeanor in the Clipper locker room after the game was...somber.

The box is here, the gameflow is here. More after the break.

Star-divide

I thought I had a lot to write about tonight. I took notes, I scribbled little genius bits of wordplay, and now it all seems kind of irrelevant. I've surrendered to a rather black mood. Chauncey Billups is thirty-five, an Achilles tear might well end his career. I hope not, I hope it's just a sprain. I hope, even if it's a tear, he comes back, but... judging by the pain he was in, judging by the tweets, and swirling rumor... it doesn't look good.

The players:
We don't get to see much of the Orlando Magic out here in the far far west, but we know something about them: we know that they have Dwight Howard, a gigantic, muscle-bound dude who wants desperately to leave Orlando and join his friends in let's see, Dallas, Los Angeles, or Brooklyn... or maybe New Jersey. I'm not sure, and neither, apparently, is he. We also know the Magic have Hedo Turkoglu who used to have some talent but that went away when his salary got very large, and they have this guy Ryan Anderson, a young power forward who seems to be having a breakout year. They also have Jameer Nelson, returning after missing several games because of a concussion, who is small but seems to have a will of iron.

But Howard's the thing. He's considered one of the two or three best players in the NBA. When he walked on the court tonight, you could see it... the guy has absolutely superhuman dimensions. Really, he makes his counterpart DeAndre Jordan look absolutely tiny. Of course the Clippers have their own superman in Blake Griffin who regularly destroys (or attempts to destroy) many and sundry large basketball players who might happen to get in his way. These two guys are like superheroes. They even wear costumes.

The Game:
The Clippers came out flat. and Howard started off magnificiently. He was a one-man wrecking crew in the first quarter and the Clips looked out of sorts. DeAndre Jordan was overly-respectful of Howard's game and seemed determined to avoid fouls (and embarassment) in the face of Dwight's greatness. Clips are down by 30 to 21 at the end of the first.

Things weren't going well at all for the Clips into the second, they seemed to sprint forward a bit, but then a fellow named Quentin Richardson entered the game (is it possible that he's the same guy who played for the Clips back in the zeroes? Used to bang on his head and act strange?). He calmly picked up where we left him ten years ago, hit a three, and made it 37 to 23. Could it be the same guy? Nah.

Then, suddenly, with Chris Paul on the bench, and a lineup of Mo Williams, Billups, Blake Griffin, Reggie Evans, and Caron Butler, the Clips figure it out and go on a 14 to 2 tear. They seem to say, "The hell with it, let the big guy beat us, we're gonna beat everybody else." This very entertaining lineup actually featured two consecutive baskets by Reggie Evans, I kid you not. One was a very solid looking twelve footer. That's right, a twelve footer by Reggie Evans... doctor, my eyes.... By the half, Clips had closed the gap and are down only by five, 47-42.

The second half was quite different. Chris Paul seemed to wake up in his coffin, struck by the light of the pearly moon, and say to himself, "Damn, I'm Chris Paul." And then he proceeded to prove it. In the first half, Paul had nine points and two assists. He finished with a monster game, 29/8/7.

Of course it wasn't easy, Vinny, the beastmaster, tried a variety of strategies. Not all of them worked, but they were certainly interesting. At one point, at the end of the third, Vinny went tiny with Evans, Griffin, Williams, Foye, and Paul. They played even for a couple of minutes, so Vinny goes completely crazy and substitutes Ryan Gomes for Griffin. And he lets this diminutive lineup play into the fourth quarter for around 2 1/2 minutes. Then Vin comes to his senses and puts back in some big guys. But it's not as demented as it seems because that lineup goes +3. I'm not kidding. You could look it up.

In the fourth good stuff happens, Paul takes over, and Billups hits a bunch of threes (he had five). Griffin hits a spin move and the Clips are up by nine. Bells are ringing. Blue sky, puffy clouds. Good stuff!
Then bad stuff happens, the Magic close the gap, Billups goes down and I can't begin to recreate the last few minutes. Suffice to say, it was tied at the end of regulation, Clips had a shot with .5 on the clock, but couldn't bring it home.

Frankly, I was done. The book says, you gotta win an away game in regulation. You gotta step on their necks, all that stuff. But in overtime, the Magic went up by three early and then Chris Paul, in full-on Dracula mode, had two assists, nailed two free throws and got the ball to Caron Butler who went two for three including a superhuman, magical three ball. Game over.

Clips head to Cleveland on Wednesday, another 4pm game. With or without Chauncey Billups. Keep your chin up. You're a goddamn Clipper fan, remember?

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Comments

From AP:
The Clippers have won six of the last seven games and snapped a nine-game losing streak to the Magic. But they may have lost Billups for an extended period after he slipped and left in the fourth quarter with a left Achilles injury.

The Injury sounds really bad! If this is true, then we clearly need JR!

well now we can offer him a starter job

depending on the extend of Billups injury. But I think he’ll be out for quite a while.

If is an Achilles injury his season is over

I know in soccer you are out about 8 to 10 months, really bad

Nah it could just be an achiles strain/sprain

we will find out tomorrow.

That would be best case

but several players said in tweets below that Billups is done. I hope it is an overreaction.

I hope it is too

however if any player was going to go down with an injury Billups is likely the one that would do the least amount of damage. Foye is not horrible as a starter and if he isn’t good than Mo just gets more minutes. And of course we now become a more favorable destination for JR as he would be the starter.

Cook could have done it
Thank God we have Mo
It'll be nice to have E.Bledsoe back ASAP

Then let C.Billups take his turn at taking as much rest as possible to recover and be safe about it.

Interesting, VDN might put BG at SF

From Ap:

hough he wasn’t available Monday night, Clippers free agent signee F Kenyon Martin did shoot at the team’s morning walkthrough. Coach Vinny Del Negro said that one of the benefits of signing the 6-foot-9 Martin is he’ll bring even more flexibility to an already deep roster. He said that could even mean Griffin getting minutes at small forward

I haven't been able to watch the game entirely

Was the injury really bad-looking?

It looked like he slipped on the floor

It didn’t look too bad, but from his reaction it was really bad

Yikes

Reactions are the ones that count the most…

I dont see the issue- still no huge need for JR Smith

Foye starts, Mo plays 32 minutes and ends games, Bledsoe gets some time, and Gomes probably gets a few minutes back as well.

This is a bad injury, but Billups is by far the most replaceable of our starting 5.

Bledsoe and Mo at the 1 and 2 leaves us really small

I would rather have Leslie, sine he claimed he can be as good as a defensive stopper as Tony Allen. Let him prove it!

If the team sticks to a fair amount of 3-guard lineups

I would imagine there’ll be enough playing time to go around for everyone

I'd bet Bledsoe can guard 2s better than Billups can.
Leslie is no good

have you seen him play? If he was good, he would be playing over Foye as it is.

I haven't

I saw the box score for the Washington game and saw he was 3-3

he had a few good plays in that game

but in all his other garbage time he has been downright terrible. Basically, when you are playing the worst team’s scrubs, you had better dominate.

Remember how bad of bench warmers we had for a while?

Aww I see!! I thought he had a glimmer of hope for us
not this season

If we were a late lottery team with EJ instead of CP3, I could endorse him getting occasional minutes. But devvelopment, while important, is in the backseat to winning this year.

I wouldn’t advocate releasing him, like others, but he should be in the NBADL.

Loss of Billups

Let’s be real- Clippers are contenders this year, and Olshey will not stand pat with Foye/Mo/Bled. Need to get another SG by the deadline, and if not JR, make a trade for one.

Clips still have two all star guards.

and two more solid ones.

That's how I feel

If anyone where to get hurt from the starters, best it was him. Not to say he won’t be missed but we can’t lose Paul, we don’t have a nice backup for Butler, and after Blake and DJ it gets dicey. Mo, Bledsoe, Foye, and even Leslie are available.

Could be worse.

via Steve Kyleron Twitter

stevekylerNBA
More than a couple of Clippers players commented that Chauncey Billup tore his Achilles and is “done”

stevekylerNBA
Chauncey will be evaluated tomorrow, but it was obvious as he left on crutches that the injury is major.

stevekylerNBA

Clipper coach Vinny Del Negro wouldn’t comment much, but the vibe in the locker room was grim…

This blows….

Yeah, if its his Achilles he might as well retire due to his age

If this is true, we really, really, really need to sign JR smith. He would be our starting SG and I believe we can offer him more money than NYK with our trade exception. Also, Knicks seem to have solved their PG problem, since J. Lin blew up today for 28 Pts, 2 Reb, 8 Ast

Can a team offer money via trade exception?

I thought that’s not how it works. (Not applicable)

I heard on AM710 that they could, but it might be incorrect
no those are only for trades. We only have the veterans minimum to offer
We can also offer him sex, drugs, and LOB CITY! lol
Well, I'm pretty sure a half-season with the Clippers > Knicks

He has a better shot at a ring and a better chance to rebuild his value. I would be open to him as a short term fill in, but not really as a long term solution…

Sign and trade with Denver not an option?
no midseason sign and trades
Don't understand the logic

We have 4 guards. We don’t need to sign another one just cuz one of our guards gets injured. If we get him, then it’s cool. If not, then it’s cool.

Isaac Lowenkron said something about the team having two mini mid level exceptions, but I’m not sure if that’s true.

Not true. They have two trade exceptions.
That's what I thought

I knew it sounded wrong when he said it. Thanks for clearing it up.

Holy -----

Wow.

Looks like it just isn't us with crappy news tonight.

Benjamin Hochman @nuggetsnews

Gallinari: left ankle sprain, will NOT return, X-rays revealed chip fracture of foot

If it is an Achilles injury, then it is bad. Depending on the severity, looking at

6 months or longer

Actually
@stevekylerNBA Steve Kyler
Typical recovery time for a torn Achilles is 12-months… Chauncey will be 36 in September.
5 minutes ago via TweetDeck
Was trying to be optimistic about it... reminds me of David Beckham when he had the

same injury and he was out about the same length of time

Can we send C.Billups to Germany for some magical treatment? D:
Germany seems to be on the forefront of such surgeries
Yeah thats exactly who I have in mind.

Beckham was younger (by a few years). Plus, soccer isn’t as draining on the body as Basketball. I just don’t see him coming back from this

David was 33 or 34 when he had the injury
I think thats right and Billups will be 36 when he tries to come back

I just don’t see it happening.

No it is draining on the feet
it is

I kind of meant it toward the amount of games played. Soccer usually once a week, or twice in occasions. Basketball you have 3 ages usually per week in a higher passed small area. Now we are having 4 to 5 per week.

Holy Moly

In the words of Ralph Lawler “Yikes!”

Injuries are just plaguing the NBA, heres one from Denver
@nuggetsnews Benjamin Hochman
Gallinari: left ankle sprain, will NOT return, X-rays revealed chip fracture of foot
1 minute ago via TweetDeck
Heres another update regarding Billups
@stevekylerNBA Steve Kyler
To clarify… Chauncey Billups likely tore his Achilles, ending his season if the MRI proves that to be true…
1 minute ago via TweetDeck
Well, in an attempt to look on the brighter side...

At least the team will have a coach on the bench now that is trusted?

Donde Esta JR Smith?
Now it has become crucial we sign JR
Ouch...No more big shot =(

Can we plz sign JR Smith! He wants to be a starter and now he will be!!

it seems like it will be between us and New York.

We both can offer the starting SG spot, but we can only offer the veteran’s minimum while NY can offer the mini-mid level. But at least our team is good and we have 3 players he used to play with.

If he signs with NY

we had better trade Bled for Landry Fields

At that point they will be the Clippers East

Having a lot of PGs

but none of their point guards are as good as Bled and he's 4th, wait now 3rd on our roster at PG.
Your forgetting they have Lin, the asian sensation!
Aside from Billups, Melo, Gallo, and Rose were all injured tonight

This is clearly due to the compressed schedule!

They should have spread the dam schedule and pushed back the playoffs
This

I am really scared for our starters now. What would we do if Butler or Dj go out, we have no serviceable backups for them yet!

if the schedule is so bad

and something bad like that were to happen, then the hope is that other teams also have devestating injuries so it evens out!
Plus, I mean we got Gomes as a backup, 6th man of the year anyone?

You know, I hate to be that guy, but we aren't going to miss Billups a whole lot.

Dude wasnt playing very well this year

was thinking that

But we are, if he sits we have to start Mo so the bench will lose a lot.

I'd guess that Foye will start, which I'm fine with.
forgotten about him

Wasn’t he like much better when starting than coming of the bench??

yes

16/4 last season as a starter (and being forced to create in the absence of EJ)

He could contribute as a shooter.

I think Foye just needs to be confident to be efficient

Dude was lights out at Villanova!

C'mon

We wouldn’t have won at Denver or vs Dallas. Dude might shot you out of the game in the 1st, 2nd or 3rd quarter, but when the game is on the line…he delivers. That is the meaning of clutch!

If this is true

then wouldn’t the inverse also be true? If he hadnt had taken those bad shots and the Clippers had good possessions would that clutch shot be needed?

I'll give him Denver.

However you conveniently forgot he let Dallas back in the game singlehandedly.

But he saved our butts during game as well
He saved his own ass.
We wouldnt have been in a position to even need that shot if he didnt play so badly.
Pulled up the play log for that game.

- Up 88-83, Billups throws it away (if its the play im thinking about its the P&R with Jordan), Terry comes back and hits a 3.
- Up 88-86, Billups misses a 12-footer (which i believe to be an extremely tough fader on the baseline), Dallas calls a timeout and Terry hits the 3 to take the lead.

If by "Billups throws it away" you mean

Billups and DJ run a pick-and-roll, but DJ doesn’t roll and Billups throws it to where DJ should have been, then yeah, Billups “threw it away.”

I blame DJ for not covering Jet on that P&R
I was thinking this too

Admittedly what C.Billups provided was veteran leadership and a guy who is trusted to take the last shot. The last shot presence will be missed, but his leadership can still be partially provided from the bench.

Offensively his numbers overall weren’t spectacular and CAN be replaced. Likewise, his defense wasn’t always that great, meaning a younger person in the lineup could probably cover their player better than C.Billups could have.

I really don't get all the Chauncey hate

Billups: TS% 54.6 PER 15.7 WS/48 .114
Foye: TS% 50.8 PER 12.5 WS/48 .061

Chauncey’s minutes going to the Li’l Chucker is somehow not such a bad thing? Sorry, but that 37.4% shooting from the arc and 89% from the line that Chauncey was giving us was a big deal, and can’t easily be replaced.

Key minutes will be going to Mo

Which is not so bad

3pt shooting wise

it might not be a drop off (but probably will be based off career numbers). Chauncey gets way more assists and is an expert at getting to the free throw line which is why he’s always been a TS% stud.

and I agree

big loss, they already had a big need for a 2/3 off the bench now its an urgent need.

ughh this sucks, it looked so... harmless. I thought it was just an ankle roll :/
Let's assume the worst

Billups is out for the season. Maybe even retires (although that would lose him some $$$).

I think Foye starts. He is big enough to guard 2s, and he can shoot. We can keep Mo off of the bench, and Bledsoe will get some minutes at the backup 2.

If Foye can give us decent minutes as a starter

Bledsoe might be able to help the second unit. What is his timetable for return anyway?

Bledsoe has played

just is not in the rotation. His PER is something like -40

I didn't think 1 minute of playing time

was an adequate sample size. lol

every minute is equal

hater
lol

I love Bledsoe much more than alot of people on this board.

You did not address my original question

“What is his timetable for return anyway?”
Bled banged knees in practice was curious when he would be back

I think he is D2D

honestly do not know.

I will ask Ralph. He seems to know these things.

Sure he can shoot

But so can you and I. Anyone can shoot, but not everyone can make shots. And Li’l Chucker doesn’t make nearly enough of them, as evidenced by his 40% mark from the field and his TS% of 50.8.

Ended the streak in Orlando, broke the Law

but it all seems like nothing as Chauncey may be out for the rest of the season :(

if this is what happens when you break the law, i don't really want to break it anymore.
Well, in the Law's defense

This happened before either team was close to reaching 100. Maybe it was a way for the Law to compensate us…although I would have taken a close lost to a career ending injury for Mr. Big Shot.

As Ralph Lawler looks silently on, with a grim, but knowing look in his eyes.

“Never break the law. Ever,” he says.

I have no regrets

Sorry, folks.

We actually broke the Lawlers overtime law as well... since orlando scored first.
He shall taketh another!
can we offer up TimKempton?
That's no way to treat a fellow Clipet!
MAN!

that sucks! just when we are gelling

cliplets- this is a huge blow as we need his veteran leadership come playoff time

I for one

have accepted, albiet begrudgingly, the name ‘cliplets’ as long as we don’t have to put up with Raging Bull.

And hopefully Billups can still help in practice/on the bench.

It also means that he could be a very cheap resign this summer, if he returns to the NBA.

Heres a pic of Billups shortly after he was injured

BACK Jasen Powell

BACK, I SAY.

He is like a vampire doctor

Man I would have Elizabeth Banks' babies.
Maggs is crying

you shattered his dreams, his heart, and his being.

You shattered my cardboard cutout??
yes
Damn you LJ Hann.

DAMN YOU TO HELL.

Dinner time :)
me too!

hot dogs

HaHa Dr. Acula!!!!

Ya Scrubs :)

Screw signing JR Smith

This team needs to acquire the Phoenix training staff. Now.

Screw the Phoenix training staff... let's get German surgeons... they seem to

be able to fix this type of injuries

True (though I'll take either or honestly)

Maybe they can take some random ligament C.Billups doesn’t need and transfuse the darn thing into his foot.

"Sources" Say:
@WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
With fear Chauncey Billups badly damaged left Achilles, source close to him tells Y!: “Doesn’t look good. MRI tomorrow. I’m sick for him.”
5 minutes ago via web
Chauncey's injury looks real bad...

I’m guessing he tore his achilles judging from what happened. Damn,… this might very well end his career.

it actually didn't look too bad as he was helped out of the court

Of course it sucks..

…but it’s life in the NBA. Look at the injuries that every team goes through. What about Portland? The Clippers have used injuries as an excuse for losing for years, but you have to make sure you have replacements that are at least adequate and then move on. It can be an opportunity for another player to get more time, improve and contribute to a winning season. This might be a blessing in disguise. Maybe they’ll sign JR and now they won’t be trading Mo Williams, but with them signing KMart, they won’t need to.

I feel bad for him and all but I think you guys are seriously overrating this dude.
You're kind of underrating him.
I dunno, his shot selection is kinda worse than Baron.
The diffirence being he actualy makes the shots more often then he misses

Baron just jacked up shots to jack up shots, Billups actually makes them. I think the team can move on without Billups but you are very seriously underrating him.

He's a much better shooter, I'll give you that.

I dont think anybody is entitled to take the kinds of shots billups often does, no matter how good a shooter the player is.

I agree it's crappy shot selection

But he’s shooting like 55% TS% so he’s not hurting us.

Or was.

:(

+ 1...

+ 1. The difference between a chucker (Baron) and a shooter (Billups) is that when he’s open, the shooter’s job is to shoot. He does that to keep defenses honest and open up other possibilities. When a PG is shoot-first, the result is much, much worse.

Point being, I don't think this team will be much worse, if at all.
He was a smart player

He had plenty of veteran moves a la Cassell! Those are priceless!

Did have a knack for drawing fouls

Shot selection was spotty at times but he was a smart player and could be counted on. Tough blow for sure. But we’re going to be OK.

Billups injury a huge loss for this team's postseason aspirations

Yes, the Clippers will still win many games without him, but he is the kind of guy that would win games for us in the postseason with fearless 3s late in the game. Olshey will ned to fill the SG void, hopefully with JR, and if not, trade Bledsoe/picks for one.
I know CP/Mo/Foye/Bled sounds alright, but I am not satisfied with 4 undersized guards in the rotation come the postseason.

3

Foye is a solid 6’4

Plus, Foye ain't scare to shoot
Still- need another big guard/SF for D and 3s for the playoffs.

Im ok with Foye as starter, but i am not ok with Bled, Mo, Gomes bench come playoff time.

It's a good point

His experience and demeanor in the playoffs is something that will be hard to replace. But who knows for sure. It’s not like it’s a guarantee he would play well in the playoffs anyways. Too many what ifs.

For what it’s worth, Foye is shooting better a FG% and 3P%.

I do agree that it’s certainly in the teams interest to push hard for J.R. Smith.

Foye

But way lower TS%.

I wouldn't say way lower

54% compared to Foye’s 50% and that would be a career low for Foye (as of now).

That's not the point, I was saying that FG% and 3p% don't matter if their TS% is lower.

Chauncey’s also getting to the line to increase his TS%, while Foye almost never gets there.

Also, 54.6% is the worst Chauncey’s shot in over 10 years. But 54.6% is pretty average, while Foye’s 50.8% is below average. And Foye’s shot below average his entire career.

His play is only part of the equation

From the way it sounds, Paul leaned on him for his experience. He is one of the leaders of the team. The guy with the most experience. A guy who helped calm the team down when games were tight. That is something that is not easily replaced.

We are just going to have to

And we can – Mo and Caron and now Kenyon are quite capable of stepping up

I agree, of all the players he was the easiest to lose. It just sucks playing Foye now.
Foye will have to step up

The funny thing is, I have some faith that he will.

Well, we know he did when EJ went down
I feel like that was fool's gold

Just a bad feeling about playing Foye more.

Agreed

Foye is not our solution at starting SG but hell have to do for now.

I trust him starting

and mo playing more than him off of the bench

I too prefer this, for defensive reasons

It’s like starting DeShawn Stevenson and finishing the game with Terry.

i feel like Foye aka lil chucker doesn't play team ball like Billups did.

Hopefully he learns how to pass more.

I think before we do anything

we should at least try Foye at SG

he seems to have good chemistry.

Who is his back up then?
I haven't figured out the math yet

give me a minute

ok

96 guard minutes.
CP3 gets his 36 (leaving 60)
Foye (starting) gets 25 (up from 21 right now, leaving 35)
Mo gets 30 (up from 27, leaves 5)
Bledsoe gets 10 (leaves -5)

That means 5 minutes of 3-guard with CP3, Mo, Foye.

Caron gets his 33, Gomes gets his 10 at SF.

Mo gets at least 30

He wants to close games

Obviously that isn't set

I rounded to 5’s for the most part. Bled can fo from 8-12, Foye 20-28, Gomes 5-15, however it ends up. This is just a blueprint.

Foye is actually pretty good as a PG

Check out 82games.com… he’s not half bad as a PG. And we’ve seen him have lots of dishes before.

+1000
ESPN reporting:
@NBAonESPN The NBA on ESPN
Clippers lose Chauncey Billups to Achilles injury.
5 minutes ago via TweetMeme
Doesn't state anything we didn't already know
ESPN seems to believe it is an Achilles

I haven’t seen a firm confirmation anywhere else

Ralph and Mike reported achilles

but an MRI is needed to confirm if it is a tear, sprain, etc.

We know it is an achilles injury

the question is whether it is a tear (end of season possibly career) or a strain/sprain which would take him out a couple months.

Either way it should be season ending, right?
could be just a month

or career

If it is a strain/sprain

depending on severity he could be back in a month or sometime before the playoffs.

I tore mine and it took about 10 months to heal. Elton Brands took about the same

If its tore CB will not play another game in the NBA. Fu%king sucks

Wait a minute, LeBron never tore his achilles

IMPOSTER.

that is FULL of info

sigh… it’s the waiting game that kills me

That should read: "Clippers WIN Chauncey Billups to Achilles injury."

I’m a glass half full kinda guy.

O.J Mayo

We now have a bigger hole at SG, if Memphis gets out of the playoff picture by the deadline, they could shop him. Maybe an offer of Bledsoe and a second rounder could get him ??

Doubt they need a backup PG in return for OJ Mayo

But then again they traded P.Gasol for ____, so what do I know.

CP3 on what Billups brings to the Clips (from ESPN)

“He’s the best guard I’ve ever started with in the backcourt since I’ve been in the NBA,” Paul said. “I trust him with anything, and that’s not just on the court. We need him, no question.”

When asked if a Billups’ injury would affect the Clippers’ strategy, Paul answered, “What you think? Yeah, it ain’t no secret. We’re going to play and hopefully it’s not that bad.”

I'm gonna trust CP on that one.
Yeah Paul was ecstatic to have Billups.

He’s going to be missed but I just feel like it’s going to be OK. I guess these next couple of games will tell.

The Magic medical staff was classy... they immediately went to the locker room

to see how they could help

Yeah that was great to hear.

At the end of the day, it’s just a game. Billups’ health is more important. He needed help and the Magic staff stepped up. Good for them.

So that mess someone other than Powell looked at him?
If there is one thing to come out of this there's even more pressuer on the front office to get a real SG who can defend.
Name one?

JR as a SG would be great dude is 6’6. If he can’t defend, he can just swing his arms around in the air.

He is too lazy to walk to that end

he gets steals, but largely because he gambles for fastbreak chances

Then, if our man to man defense would be lacking, let's employ the ZONE
Zone in the NBA

isn’t a base defense like in college/high school. It is a change of pace defense that works for maybe 3 minutes to throw the other team off guard.

As a basketball purist (meaning that I prefer College/HS), I love the zone, 2-3, 3-2, 1-3-1… they all have their uses.

Its hard for me to watch college ball sometimes because I grew up on NBA ball.

The offense is somewhat hard to watch.

that's the problem with me

It has taken me awhile to watch it alot, and my favorite team for years has been Syracuse simply because they play a very pro-like offense while utilizing the matchup stretch zone.

Any good SG free agents in the summer of 2012?
According to Hoopsworld

RFA:
EJ (baby come back)
OJ Mayo
Batum (if Portland still isnt sky high on him)

UFA:
Ray Allen ()
CJ Miles
Jason Terry

Full list

Though whoever compiled it doesnt know a whole lot about positions

http://www.hoopsworld.com/2012-nba-free-agents/

By next season

wouldn’t Chauncey be back? And likely a cheap re-sign because he would be coming off of a season-ending injury. Anyways, from AudioDope’s list, Allen, Miles woul both be great signings. Terry is redundant with Mo.

If we can get a SF, Caron easily slides to SG.

At his age and with the injury he wouldn't even be a shadow of himself

I would love Ray Allen, but then again he is getting up there in years

Still

we are in win-now, right? Gotta hold out with veteran shooting guards until we can get a good long-term solution

He's expiring though; Boston would need a reaaaallllyyy nice package to let him leave
I mean this summer
Depending on his price, I would totally be down
if we let Foye walk and amnesty gomes

by my no effort or research involved math, we could offer like 6 million.

Eh, Brand injured his heel at a lot younger and look how he turned out.

Billups may very likely have played his last game.

I'd be glad to take JR. He's also inefficient but at least we have a 2 who isnt undersized.
I like Foye as an 8 or 9 man

But as a starting 2 guard on a championship contending team? I don’t think so, clips gotta make a move.

At least we don't have to immediately

Let’s see Foye and Bled play first.

Derek fisher, Mario Chalmers, DeShawn Stevenson, Kieth bogans
Garbage, less garbage, defense, defense.

Foye kinda fits actually.

whaddya know

that may have been what I was trying to say :)

dallas just won with Stevenson starting

Mo will be finishing games just like JET

I'd take Bogans or Stevenson

Bogans is a great defender

I believe he signed recently

Forgot with who..

Hell, I dont know why we dont call up the Celtics right now and offer Bledsoe + cap filler for Allen.
not sure if serious.....
We don't do that because they would laugh in our faces

This is a Lakerish type post and it disgusts me.

Lakerish

Yes

Red Lakerish or Black Lakerish?

I love red lakerish but I am not a fan of black lakerish.

My dad like black lakerish

But he’s so old.

Cause R.Allen's contract is already expiring.

They enjoy best of both world’s; money to spend next year and a productive player this year.

If they're championship window is closed

Why not turn a veteran player into a young player?

Why would they want Bledsoe

he hasn’t shown that much yet, and he has yet to play any meaningful minutes this season. And even if their window is closed there is no motivation for them to dump Allen as he is an expiring contract.

you need to match salaries in an NBA trade...
Foye/Gomes/Bledsoe balances
I think adding those players makes the trade worse for the c's lol
Expiring foye

actually, with new CBA, we could send them Cook in place of Gomes. They save $$$ this year, let Foye and Cook walk and get Bledsoe cheap long-term…

Of course, they would never do this.

Yeah, they will definitely wait until the offseason before trading any of the big 3.
No need to panic
It's not a terrible idea.

A – They’re championship window is closed. Shut.
B – They’ve already been mentioned as looking to break up their big 3 in favor of getting younger pieces.

Bledsoe may not be enough but I dont think its super outlandish that Boston would part with Allen.

Regardless of whether R.Allen is tradeable then.

It’s a question of what the Clippers have to offer. Unless they want like 5 second round pics…and a first round pick in the veryyyyy far future, doubt it

Fair enough. I'm pretty high on Bledsoe so I think he's got a solid bit of value.
Meh

If he does have value, I would prefer the Clippers hold onto him. He might not be as good as R.Allen now, but at least the team controls him for a bit longer and at a cheaper rate.

With this injury, there might not be a C.Billups to resign this off-season.

Anyone interested in using money to go after R.Allen as the potentially new starting SG next year, with a youngster on the bench (like E.Bledsoe)?

Allen could be an option in free agency next year

would definitely fit well playing next to CP3, he could basically camp outside the FT line and just shoot open jumpers.

Great idea as far as I'm concerned.

1. Ray Allen makes $10 Million this year, Bledsoe makes $1.5 Million. The salaries are not even remotely close to make this trade possible regardless of talent.
2. Eric Bledsoe is not that valuable, the Celtics would laugh at this trade.
3. The Celtics aren’t ready to blow it up yet.

Seriously, don’t be like laker fans and make up silly trade ideas.

gah reply please
Neil is prolly making phone calls right about now

JR Smith should be at the top of his list. Barring any miraculous news regarding Chauncey’s injury, he could get major minutes instead of 15-20 off the bench.

Chauncey’s injury might expedite the for a trade for a more conventional SG. Could Neil be calling Cleveland for Anthony Parker, maybe?

For now, we’ll see Foye play extended minutes. Young Bled needs to step up more than ever. Sucks to put it on a guy coming off an injury with no training camp but that’s just the way it is sometimes.

He is nursing another knee injury right now that occurred in practice

he isn’t ready to play yet.

Travis Leslie, come on down!
NO

STOP WITH TRAVIS LESLIE

you will respect travis leslie

oh yes you will

oh no I won't

he is a second round rookie. He could be good, but he sure as hell isn’t now.

Send him to the NBADL already.

Yea...not sure why he's still with the team if he's just twiddling his fingers.
two words

Jeremy Lin!!!! lol

Randy gonna be dribblin' and chuckin'.

And we’re all gonna love it.

TIME TO RE-SIGN ERIC GORDON....

Ha…ha…ha…

I'm sure it was mentioned earlier in the thread

But I’m not going to scroll up to check, but Foye’s numbers as a starter last year were much better than when he came off the bench, if I’m not mistaken. It sucks to lose Blilups and I can only hope that with KMart/Bledsoe coming back into the fold they can (combined) match his production on the court.

JR Smith is going to the Clippers
Caron Butler
@realtuffjuice: Great win off to cleveland….
Retweeted by JR Smith

Why would JR Smith retweet this? Maybe because he’s already penciling himself in the Clippers roster? It’s gonna happen!!

I don't know that I want it to

even now

you do want it, you really do want it

tweet jrsmith to come to the clippers, i’m doing it cause i want it!

I want him as a basketball player

not as a person. I talked about this in another thread.

You're going to want JR Smith

And you are going to respect Travis Leslie.

It is written.

I might

and I might, but only in a few years.

Why not as a person?

This girl wanted him.

lol that sounded weird

You know what I mean.

he retweeted something amare posted too about j Lin. I am sure its down to us or the Knicks. just matters if he wants slightly more money or a much better team with guys he knows. sadly Chauncey recruited Kmart and may never play with him

Got 'em!

http://lockerz.com/s/180445082

GOT EM!!

Another GOT EM!!

LOL

That DJ is funny as hell… best one is wit Coach Iavaroni.

This one? LOL

They got Mike Smith last week. As long as they don't get Ralph, I'm cool.
Here's DJJJJJJJJJJJJ!

doing his best impression of Jack N. in The Shining

BTW

Where are these pics coming from or being posted?

they post them on twitter.

http://lockerz.com/s/181486771
LA Clippers with no regard for human fatigue.
^ what does that even mean?

was reading some article about AI in Puerto Rico and it mentioned Ike and rashad mccants are down there. I think barring trading bledsoe we could look into a mccants or kelenna azuibukw wherever he is now.

I finally got the full recap up... if anyone has the energy to read it.

I’m sure I’ve made mistakes. Stopped taking notes after Billups went down.

This would have been a good game for me to make a postgame thread

I was in kind of a funk myself. But yeah, 200+ comments before you even wrote it! Yikes!

I just find it hard to focus.

I’ve been a Billups fan for quite some time. I always liked his leadership and I felt for him when he was just another trading piece last year (I thought it was tough that he had to leave his home town, but that is just something you have to do in the NBA) but now his career may be over, that hurts. I really hope it was somewhat of a false scare; I hope that he can return come playoff time, I hope he can play some more in the NBA. That is all just hope, but I expect them to say that he will be out for the rest of the season. I don’t know really know what to say, all I know right now is how to feel, and that is terrible.

I feel the same way

I almost wanted to tear up. Not just because it hurts my twam, but it could be the end of his career. Its really sad. Not to mention non clipper fans(and some clipper fans) will rant on about how the clippers are cursed __

I hope no one tries to talk about the Clipper curse

Though it will probably come out.

Sucks if billups is done

I guess we could fire Vdn and have him coach the rest of the season

if chauncey tore his achilles, he shouldnt have put any weight on it...

even with his teammates helping him off the court…..also, when you tear the achilles..you know you tore it…

when i tore mine i was trying to poke around to feel my achilles, but when its torn, theres nothing there…its just soft and empty…

i had to get an mri to confirm it….but me and podiatrist knew , it was torn…

hopefully chauncey only sprained it, even if its just sprained im gonna guess he will still be out till at least the end of the season

Like you said, you know when you tore it.

And I think Chauncey knew that he tore it, and that is why there was such sadness around the lockerroom. Let’s hope that he was just being more worried than he needed to be, but from the sounds of it, he knew exactly what happened and he knew exactly what that meant for him and the team. :/

He should have rode out in a wheelchair

So he could miraculously be healed and come in at the last minute to hit a couple 3s.

They moved that wheelchair from Boston to the Vatican now.
Optimism

It’s really sad to see one of our stars go down, especially Billups. I just hope CP3 and Caron can get the team together and use this injury as motivation to play harder every night. Clipper Nation, we’ll get through this.

stat of the game

blake griffin:

6-7 fts

he was bouncing the ball!!!
Did mike smith say something?

I had to watch the orlando feed.

Chauncey helped him on his free-throws on Sunday.
Blake seemed a little stubborn about it after the game when interviewed by Dain.

“Yea, I am bouncing the ball a couple times.”

Well everyone's acting like 6-7 means his FT shooting is totally cured from bouncing the ball...

He’s made that many before. I think that’s why he was stubborn.

From what Lawler said, VDN was really dead set on helping him.
Did you guys notice?

Blake does a dribble before his free throws now. Mike Smith was talking about that a few days ago.

Yeah he has a rythm down

3 dribbles, then ball spin, then one fluid motion into a shot. Every one of the makes was a swish, I find it amazing that all Blake needed to adjust was adding some pre shot dribbles.

I'm also surprised he took so long to adapt such habit
J Powell was seen spraying Windex on Chauncey's achilles in the locker room
"Hmm, I'm not seeing any improvement. BRING ME THE VASELINE."
The timing of this injury is sad

Billups just recruited Kenyon to come play for the Clips and this happens.

maybe this is his way of helping to recruit JR to us next.

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