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Kenyon Martin is a Clipper - But When Will He Be Able to Play?

According to Mike James of the LA Times, the Los Angeles Clippers have agreed to contract terms with free agent forward Kenyon Martin. The deal is apparently for the mini-mid level exception.

Martin was still on the free agent market because he signed a contract with the Xinjiang Flying Tigers in China during the lockout. Unlike the players who signed in European leagues, Martin and other NBA players who went to China were not allowed to return to play in the NBA immediately upon the resolution of the NBA lockout.

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There is currently confusion as to exactly when Martin will be allowed to play in the NBA. FIBA, the governing body of international basketball, has granted Martin a Letter of Clearance to sign elsewhere, but the Chinese Basketball Association insists that Martin must wait until Xinjiang's season is over. The final game of the regular season is February 15, but the Tigers are still in the running for a playoff berth, so even that could drag on longer.

The Tigers are currently 12-12, in tenth place and so would miss the eight team playoffs if the season ended today. However six of their remaining eight games are at home, where the Tigers are 9-1 this season, so it's very much within the realm of possibility that they could finish strong and sneak into the playoffs.

I find it hard to believe that NBA commissioner David Stern would want to run afoul of the Chinese for the sake of Kenyon Martin and the Clippers. The FIBA decision gives the NBA some political cover, but the NBA isn't even officially within FIBA's jurisdiction. When they choose to abide by FIBA's decisions, it's as a courtesy to the organization, and one would suspect that the NBA might want to be even more courteous to a country with a billion potential NBA fans.

The current situation raises other questions as well. Has Martin actually signed a contract, or merely agreed to terms? One presumes that by even signing a contract, Martin has breached if not the letter then the spirit of his original agreement in China. If the two sides have agreed to terms then Martin will be a Clipper eventually, which is certainly good news given the team's puddle deep bench, but it's not just a question of when he will be allowed to play: can Martin even practice with the team before this dispute is resolved?

[Note by Steve Perrin, 02/03/12 11:11 AM PST ] I see several different possible outcomes of the current situation:

  • The Chinese back off, and/or the NBA ignores their objections, and Martin is cleared to play right away. Even then, he won't be in game shape, and would likely need at least a week's worth of practice. I find this possibility unlikely. If he won't be able to play until February 10th, why not throw the Chinese a bone and wait until the the end of the regular season, the 15th?
  • The sides reach a compromise that allows Martin to begin practicing with the team, but not to appear in games until the conclusion of the Xinjiang season. This seems like a win-win for everyone, allowing the NBA and Chinese each to save face, while getting Martin onto the court almost as quickly as he would be otherwise. Furthermore, while I of course haven't seen the affidavit Martin signed with the Chinese league, a strict reading of Adrian Wojnarowski's story would not preclude this sort of compromise: Woj states the affadavit "stipulates [Martin] wouldn’t play in the NBA until his Xinjiang Guanghui Flying Tigers’ season had ended" (emphasis added). That would seem to indicate that he can sign and practice, just not begin playing. If the Tigers miss the playoffs, Martin could then conceivably play in the Clippers Feb. 16 game against Portland.
  • If the Chinese insist that Martin not practice, and/or if the Tigers actually make the playoffs, things will of course be delayed further. The NBA All Star break occurs about a week after the Chinese regular season ends: in that type of scenario, Martin might begin practicing with the team after the All Star break (around Feb. 27) and be game ready in early March.

So for now this is certainly good news for the Clippers, but there is still much unknown.

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Here Is More On The China - FIBA Thing Regarding KMart
China fighting decision to let Martin return to NBA
Adrian Wojnarowski

By Adrian Wojnarowski, Yahoo! Sports 12 hours, 22 minutes ago

Chinese Basketball Association officials are fighting FIBA’s decision to allow Kenyon Martin to immediately return to the NBA, demanding that Martin be forbidden to play until later this month, sources told Yahoo! Sports.

China has forwarded an affidavit to FIBA and the NBA – signed by Martin upon his departure in late December – that stipulates he wouldn’t play in the NBA until his Xinjiang Guanghui Flying Tigers’ season had ended. China is demanding the contract be honored and Martin have to wait until the Flying Tigers finish their season.

The Flying Tigers have six games left and need a winning streak to catapult them into the playoffs. Their final regular-season game is Feb. 16..

Chinese Basketball Association officials are insisting the clearance letter request was deliberately sent to their office over the New Year when they wouldn’t be available to respond. After seven days without a response, FIBA’s guidelines allow it to issue the letter of clearance that all international leagues – including the NBA – need to validate that a player has fulfilled contractual obligations elsewhere.

In truth, Martin is expected to work out for a week with any NBA team he joins before becoming activated. So even if the NBA reverses its ruling, Martin could likely still be back on the floor in two weeks

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more on link above

Thanks

I added that link to my post as well.

Even if he can't come in immediately

If they allow him to practice, then he will be better when he is finally allowed to play.

right

Getting him into practice is the real key here. If a compromise can be reached where he can practice but not play, then it’s basically a win. If Xinjiang accommodates by missing the playoffs, then he’ll hit the court about when he would be ready anyway.

Even if he takes longer: we do need him badly
KMart Excogitation

Good word of the day. Yeah, okay, so he’ll play when he plays. That’s not the biggest question. My concern is how he fits on this roster. What it means, if you will.

Does it push Reggie Evans to playing center on the backup squad? We’ve seen enough Solomon Jones to know that he’s a filler, better than Brian Cook, but if there’s any way than neither of them play, it’s a good thing. Martin has significant offensive skills, especially in comparison to Reggie Evans. Evans is obviously a valuable piece. But I don’t know how all of this comes together.

And last night showed not just fatigue, but some Clipper shortcomings as well.

against most teams it shouldn't be a problem

you could just go small to give DJ a rest. If DJ gets in foul trouble or we play those handful teams that are stacked at the 5, it’s another story. But it will have to do.

Kenyon has one thing no one on this team has...

…..a decent hook shot.

He Also Has

significant playoff experience which no other Clippers Big has.

My main thing with him is getting him into game shape between Mid March and the beginning of April so he will be available and in game shape for the April playoff seeding push and the start of the playoffs.

Not sure how it's all going to work as far as minutes and rotations but adding a big was an absolute must.

Especially one who can score. I think that’s been a huge problem for this team. We completely lose our inside game when the bench comes in; actually completely lose it when Blake comes out. Martin should help keep the opposing defenses honest in the post. He also had the ability to hit a that mid-range jumper, no?

Yes, he's got a flat shot but can hit it out to 12-15 feet.
nice

Be great for the second unit to actually have plays other than iso Mo. Mo and Kmart running the pick and pop would give a new deminsion to that unit. Now if foye can find his place.

KMart as the first big off the bench

to spell DJ and take the opponents best offensive big to protect Blake on D and from foul trouble.

Even when Evans comes in, I still see KM guarding the best big as he’s the better defender of our two bench guys. Don’t see Jones or Cookie getting any play in this scenario.

Three guard lineup

It will be interesting to see how VDN balances the 3-guard attack with getting Kenyon and Reggie minutes. It will depend on matchups to some extent but he only has about 29 minutes left to per game between Kenyon and Reggie at the 4/5 spots.

Reggie will get 10, Kenyon 20 I suspect

Kenyon > Reggie

easy comparison

Would like to first caveat that i’m happy with the addition considering timing and limited options available in the market to upgrade and address roster needs. But with kmart’s offensive contributions currently an unknown (almost a year removed from NBA basektball) and arguably in decline (age and given his offensive arsenal is highly contingent on his athleticism), I wonder how big of an impact he would actually bring in terms of changing opponent’s philosophy on playing against our 2nd unit. This is the biggest thing in our opinion – can he help us erase our bench’s ~ -7 point differential against other teams’ bench.

I see Reggie/Kmart play the backup 4/5 interchangeably, and this shouldn’t be a big concern defensively against most of the league’s benches. Like a lot here has mentioned I’d consider Solomon Jones as lesser of the evil versus Cook – at least he has length even though he doesn’t use it well, and can spell our rotation players defensively. Unfortunately he’s the likely cut here given his unguaranteed status

Jones has been as horrid as Cook

it just doesn’t show that much because Solomon doesn’t jack up cringe worthy 3’s.

+1

He’s arguably worse than Cookie at D.

And that's saying alot.
Much needed signing

Nice when the chips fall in your favor.

Surprisingly..

Not that KMart signing was a huge surprise.. but comon, we’re Clippers fan. I know I speak for some Clippers fan by stating that we’re not used to all this attention. We’re on many teams wishlist finally. It’s a complete shocker since at one point we had to overpay free agents to even consider a thought of playing here. We went from the team that would offer BIG time money to free agents and would be used just as a negotiation tool, to this. We’ve come a long way. I’m enjoying it, but this is still too quick.

I think I’m going to reread Swami’s post of the rocket moving quickly and us needing to get on.

By Cook, Good Luck with you next chapter of your career since it can't be Basketball.
He Likes To Fish - LOL

and has his Brian Cook Foundation Good stuff

Trade Foye for nothing at all, sign JR smith, ???, championship.

I don't think we get under the cap by trading Foye

What if we cut Foye and Gomes….and tell them to take Cookie Monster with them…I can dream can’t I?

their contracts still count toward the cap

even if we buy them out, they still count. In the off season we can choose to amnesty Gomes.

What's the cap situation currently?

Over the cap, under the cap, no more money??

over the cap, not in lux tax territory
So $$ to JR is improbably unless for the vet min or..?

Lol, this whole new CBA is a whole new language to me as I’ve stated before. :X

Minimum

By spending the mini mid level on KMart, the Clippers are down to the minimum for free agents. So JR is probably not happening, since he can get more than that elsewhere (though from a lot of teams).

The best options for upgrading the roster moving forward are (1) Foye’s expiring contract or (2) the trade exception from the Paul trade.

It’s so great that things are different. Clips are first choice for many players.

it just made sense

he’ll be able to play major minutes and get quite a few touches on our second unit.

Hurray our rotation now has 8 or 9 players (depending on what you think of Foye)

Man, it would be great to somehow get a bigger SG/SF to defend, shoot 3s

Only thing missing from bench.

too bad Bogans just signed
look at Foyes numbers of late

i know im the only guy on Clipsnation that defends him but his numbers arent as bad as people say. He is a huge upgrade over Gomes who bacially gives you nothing.

Yeah Foye has been decent off the bench.

His offense and defense has been satisfactory. I wouldn’t say he’s a problem.

I don't Foye is a problem like Gomes and Cook.
I Had Forgotten That KMart Has Played In One All-Star Game

In 2004 as a member of the Nets he scored 17 points and grabbed 7 rebounds in 23 minutes.

BD and Sam C also played in that all-star game.

So Clippers will now have 6 current or former all stars
So glad when I read the news

Martin is gonna bring so much to this team. Great job by our team and the FO, making this happen. Personally I do think we need a defensive oriented sg/sf, who can shoot the occasional jumper, to be set for the rest of the season and (hopefully!) the playoffs. One significant thing people may forget is that Martin also makes the second unit better in general – he gathers more attention on the offensive end, and our other second-unit players should be able to capitalize on that and get some better shot with him on the floor

Solid. They still have a TPE, don't they?

i’m sure options will be explored to shore up the issue of a solid swingman before the trade deadline.

Yeah. The have a trade exception of 3.5 and they might have another at 2.8...

That’s according to the LA Times.
The Clips right now are around 65.2 M with the tax probably coming in around 70M. So, they could make a trade if they found something they liked and still be under the tax.

Cool. I'm sure Neil & co will be looking into putting that into use.

There is definitely a need for a backup at the swing position.

We’ll find out right around March who becomes available other than those players listed down below.

3.83M & 2.76M

Some players in that price range:

Delfino
Stevenson
Dahntay Jones
Anthony Parker
Brandon Rush
Reggie Williams
Terrence Williams

The Pacers traded Rush for Lou Amundson, who averages about 9mpg. Rush would have been perfect.

Oh that's painful

Brandon Rush would have been a good acquisition.

I wouldn’t mind Carlos Defino or Reggie Williams to be honest. Pretty decent scorers (especially Delfino) and seems like a better upgrade over our Lil Chucker.

Who is Lil Chucker?

I’m not sure Rush is available. How about Kareem Rush instead? Is he healthy? None of these dudes are an upgrade guard wise over what’s on the team. Delfino is fine, but I’m don’t think the team is rushing to sign yet Antother combo guard.

I'm pretty sure Brandon Rush isn't available either.

Kareem is pursuing a career as an R&B singer now. I’m sure that he’s recovered from the ACL injury, but his NBA career is probably over.

Delfino could work. He’s 6’6 and can play the 2 & 3, but Milwaukee is probably not going to relinquish him.

Kareem's career died with the Clips

Pretty bad fall, too. He was out for the entire season with a torn ACL. Dunno if he’d ever come back since he’s been doing this:

http://youtu.be/kM9sSzGhewY

Painful indeed. The most attractive ones are probably not available for what we'd want to give.

It just shows that the exceptions may not get us what we’re looking for to fill in that hole. However, there’s a possibility that a player will be waived near the trade deadline that could be a decent fit for us on a minimum contract.

I'm a little confused....

…you guys keep saying he needs to “get in game shape” but isn’t he playing basketball in the Chinese league? Are they that inferior to the NBA that playing for them means you are out of shape for the NBA?

“On December 24, 2011, Martin was released from the club so that he could “take care of family affairs.”

He hasn’t been playing professional basketball for a little over a month. Who’s to say he has even been working out?

Plus He Didn't Play Very Many Games In China
And he sucked when he did given the level of competition
can martin shoot or is he just there for defense
He can do a little bit of everything...

He’s got a serviceable midrange J and can step back for the [very] occasional 3 in emergencies. Obviously Kenyon isn’t the athlete he was when he was in his prime, but he’s a pretty crafty, versatile player who will average a steal and a block per. However, his free throw shooting is pretty dreadful, so he’ll fit right in with the rest of our front court.

Ehhh

Idk if I’d call his midrange j serviceable…

Does someone need to be waived to make room for K-Mart?

If so, I hope that someone is Cookie.

we have one roster spot open

but as the FO likes to keep one spot on reserve to have some flexibility to make a trade I’m guessing they’ll cut Solomon who is on a no-guaranteed deal.

no

There’s a roster spot from when they waived Courtney Fortson. However, Solomon Jones will probably be waived before his contract becomes fully guaranteed, to keep a roster spot open.

Kenyon Martin and Kobe Bryant

Im gettin' a Martin jersey....

first time there was a player to get since Gordon left…. well Kenyon and Caron

there is this Paul dude

you might have heard of him.

Im a Clipper fan....

I tend to go for the less popular.

When I was in high school I first saw Jessica Alba in Flipper, I fell in love. Then she got super popular with everybody and my infatuation subsided. Oh well.

That was like Rachael Leigh Cook in the Babysitter's Club for me.

Though I’m still a fan. Don’t ask why I saw that movie. You should go for the Evans jersey.

an Evans jersey seems too dirty

Fred Jones, Steve Novak, Nick Fazekas, Cuttino Mobley (but he’s actually more popular than I thought on ClipsNation.)

Mobley was my first jersey

fvorite ever

I did a Snoopy dance when I heard the news. This makes me happy.

yeah! i literally started doing a little bounce and dance in my seat when i first read it...

…wierd

Would Marquis Daniels be a good pick up?

He hardly plays for the Celtics.

The last thing I remember about KMart was....

….a play-off game Nuggets-Lakers, and KMart was just horrible! I think the Lakers might have swept them.

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