| 2011/2012 NBA Regular Season | ||
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| STAPLES Center (Purple and Gold Trim) |
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| January 25th, 2012, 7:30 PM | ||
| FSN Prime Ticket, NBA-TV, KFWB 980 AM | ||
| Probable starters: | ||
| Chris Paul |
PG | Derek Fisher |
| Chauncey Billups | SG | Kobe Bryant |
| Caron Butler |
SF | Matt Barnes |
| Blake Griffin |
PF | Pau Gasol |
| DeAndre Jordan |
C | Andrew Bynum |
The Back Story:
The Big Picture:
The Clippers beat the Lakers 11 days ago in a Clippers home game. Tonight it's the Lakers who will be the home team, and both teams should be primed and ready for this rematch. Chris Paul led the Clippers in that first game, but he tweaked his hamstring late in the fourth quarter and has not played since. All indications are that he'll play tonight (he practiced full speed on Tuesday), but we'll just have to wait and see what happens when the game starts. Even if Paul does play, he could be on a minutes restriction. The Clippers chances in this game may hinge on Paul's availability and effectiveness. The Lakers have a history of having problems containing quick point guards, and Paul in particular has a history of torching the Lakers. Paul was the best player on the court in the first meeting, and may have to be again if the Clippers want to win. Beyond Paul, it's less clear where the Clippers will go for points. Blake Griffin does not match up well against Pau Gasol, not to mention that Blake has been in a bit of a slump. Mo Williams, on the other hand, has been absolutely on fire off the bench, and DeAndre Jordan is coming off his best game of the season on Sunday. The Clippers have beaten the Lakers three times in the CP3 era including two in pre-season. The Lakers have dismissed all of those games as not significant (it's just preseason, it was just a schedule loss). A Clippers win on the Lakers floor with both teams rested would be harder to explain away.

The Antagonist:
The Lakers have lost four of five games beginning with that loss to the Clippers 11 days ago. In road games in Miami and Orlando, they didn't just lose -- they were embarrassed. Then they lost at home to Indiana, their first home loss since opening night. This is a hurting team right now. Which makes them a dangerous team. They would like nothing more than to get back on the right track with a big win against the upstarts from across the hall. You can rest assured that they will not come out flat as they did against the Heat and Magic. The Lakers are struggling despite the fact that both Kobe Bryant and Andrew Bynum are having career type years. Unfortunately for the Lakers, Pau Gasol is having a down year thus far, and beyond those three there's basically no one worth mentioning on the team.
The Subplots
From the Urban Dictionary:
laker
a retired pirate that lives on a lake, with the big beard and hook for a hand and yellow trench coat
look at that badass laker bro
0 recs | 79 comments
El Nino is Spanish for "little boy".
Like all things Spanish, it is dangerous.
Destroy those Fakers.
Bui Himself - January 25, 2012
it's actually just boy
little boy would be ‘pequeno nino.’
XXDC2XX - January 25, 2012
It's a reference to this
http://funnyexam.com/answers/1632-lmao-like-all-things-spani
shay - January 25, 2012
'El Nino is caused when peruvian gods are angrry'
Actually in Lima(our capital city), everyone likes el nino because it makes the weather warmer.
XXDC2XX - January 25, 2012
I'm sister is in Lima right now studying abroad.
Hands off.
Erik O - January 25, 2012
LO
what college?? (
XXDC2XX - January 25, 2012
that was LOL in the title.
XXDC2XX - January 25, 2012
Thunderbird in Phoenix is the college (MBA)
But I’m not sure what the local partner college is.
Erik O - January 25, 2012
I drank Thunderbird in college.
PV Mike - January 25, 2012
Actually it'
Erik O - January 25, 2012
fail
I ruined it.
Erik O - January 25, 2012
I'm confused
Why are we talking about el nino?
Steve Perrin - January 25, 2012
I'm a little surprised to see Butler as one of the 5 people with such a low TS%
Hopefully he’ll pick it up cause his offense is killer when he’s on. I’m really looking forward to this game, if we win that is huge for not only our confidence but for the Pacific Division rankings/standings if for some reason there is a tie at the end of the season against them. Something tells me this game could get a little nasty, thankfully Reggie Evans is on our side.
chrisd - January 25, 2012
Rasual Butler
You know I’m referring to Rasual Butler there, right? Not Caron.
Steve Perrin - January 25, 2012
doh, it makes total sense now. my bad. just saw the Butler part.
Of course Rasual is in the category. That is nothing to be surprised about whatsoever. I’d bet Cookie would be there too if he had more than 300 minutes played.
chrisd - January 25, 2012
Surprised about his minutes
Rasual was kind of a ghost against the Clippers. It was funny to hear how he holds the Clipper record of 135 3s, or whatever it is.
It didn’t seem like he was a key member of the Raptors rotation, getting enough minutes to provide a comp to MWP.
And mentioning 3s, with Mo going crazy and Chauncey shooting them pretty well overall I would think, with Caron Butler and even Gomes making a couple, the Clips seem like a much more dangerous 3 pt shooting team than ever before. And CP3 makes them too.
citizen zhiv - January 25, 2012
Rasual
His minutes have diminished. He started the first dozen games or so, but seems to be on his way out of the rotation.
Kleiza is an interesting one for them. He missed the first 10 games, but is probably one of their better players. Denver used to play him at the two a lot. Toronto seemed to be playing him at the four.
Steve Perrin - January 25, 2012
if the lakers lose
it’s totally because they got 7 hours less rest on Sunday, haha. I am definitely worried about this one, especially if CP3 is on limited minutes. I’m expecting another chippy game, so should be fun to watch. In that interview, Blake sounded like he had something special to give Matt Barnes.
CP3 also said he’s going to peg Jonah Hill and Jimmy Kimmel with the ball on an “arrant” pass. I hope those are his only turnovers.
osamu - January 25, 2012
Yah the layoff was too long lol
Jax - January 25, 2012
Love that from cp
Erik O - January 25, 2012
Nice one.
‘Heck, with McRoberts and Barnes around, there pretty much has to be a hard foul or two, since those guys don’t have many other NBA level skills.’
XXDC2XX - January 25, 2012
include Fisher and World Peace on that list
dan73962 - January 25, 2012
world peace still plays GREAT defense
Dawool Huh - January 25, 2012
man i really want this one
shap - January 25, 2012
Any game
against “the other” Los Angeles team, I want. : )
JackduhSun - January 25, 2012
Raffo got it
sigh
LJ Hann - January 25, 2012
Caron Butler
In my view he is absolutely the team “glue guy” member we were searching for.
He gets very little attention in the media with the Blake, CP3, DJ, Billups yet he really has been THE unsung player for us this year.
He’s a real tough player, something we’ve not had a lot of on our roster, and he gets into places to get open looks and can hit the bit shot or still explode off the dribble when needs be. He also does a lot of the dirty work defending – things that don’t end up on the stat sheet.
I’m loving having CP3 and Blake on our team but Butler is slowly becoming my favourite player for what he does and the people who scoff at the $8M a year over 3 years don’t understand the value of having him on the roster and his versatility.
ClippersUK - January 25, 2012
He's a glue guy that can score
shay - January 25, 2012
yea, gomes is just a glue guy
that can glue
osamu - January 25, 2012
Not sure how to define glue guy but for me
it means a guy who does a bit of everything, both on and off the court.
Someone who has “been there and done that”, brings valuable experience to the locker room as well as being an unselfish guy who is willing to put the team before his personal stats (and so doesn’t start chucking up shots that are low percentage ones).
He also needs to be a leader on the floor, without being a loudmouth but can get the team going with his actions, sometimes on offense when we need a bucket and sometimes on D when we need a stop or someone to step up and guard the oppositions best scorer. Being versatile is key.
Caron ticks all these boxes.
ClippersUK - January 25, 2012
I like Caron's atitude
when Billups threw that half court lob to DJ againt the Raptors you can see Butler turn around and walk back to our own basket without showing any emotion. Just another day at the office =)
BelgianClipper - January 25, 2012
I liked that he let loose a little last game
With the one-handed dunk and then the swat at the buzzer. Cracked a big smile and seemed to enjoy his own Lob City impersonation. Love what Caron brings.
ganima - January 25, 2012
random story on a potential Gomes nickname
At the Twolves game this ultra excited middle aged female Clipper fan was screaming the whole game, yelling ‘Cmon, D-up D-up D-up!" etc after every Clipper basket. She knew the team, but forgot about Gomes, and being that he started that game she asked me ’Who that? That aint Caron.’ I told her it was Gomes, but she didn’t quite hear me, and settled on calling him ‘Cone’ the whole game. ’C’mon, Cone! Gotta hit that open J, baby.’
Gomes- all cone, no ice cream. haha
cassellmania - January 25, 2012
CONE
Haha..
Erik O - January 25, 2012
Very likeable
Butler and his efforts thus far, along with the way he seems to fit, is worthy of an extended discussion. It seems to be going great, that’s for sure. A lot of the questions have seemingly been answered already.
The biggest thing, I think, actually goes against the Glue Guy paradigm. Glue Guy is Shane Battier, the best (non-existent) version of Ryan Gomes, the ace defender who sees the floor, rebounds, passes and can knock down open shots, especially the corner 3. It’s a very nice way of talking about a guy who doesn’t score much, and who is the 4th or 5th scoring option. When Glue Guys are looking great and hitting shots, like Trevor Ariza in the Finals for the Lakers, they look like they could be something more, scorers, but they’re really not, as was proved out after Ariza got a healthy contract.
Butler is a scorer first, and a Glue Guy second. He can hit the shots: we’ve definitely seen that. The exciting thing is that his shot selection has been good, and he hasn’t been forcing it. He’s a good all-around basketball player, so he does a lot of the Glue Guy stuff, he passes, he rebounds, he keeps the ball and the offense flowing. That was the huge question, if he was going to need to get his shots, and if he needed high usage to contribute. So far it’s glaringly obvious that he’s deliberate and focused and happy to play his role, and play hard. Having leaders like CP3 and Billups helps, I would think. Butler is “playing the right way,” to use VDN’s favorite phrase, but I think it has a lot more to do with the humble excellence and team oriented approach of Paul, Billups and Griffin than VDN.
Butler fails the ultimate Glue Guy test of elite defender, but most guys do, especially scorers. It seems that his defense has slowly risen along with the general tide of the rest of the team trying to play harder on that end of the floor. He’s got the body and the athleticism to play good D, but it’s never going to be his strongest feature.
The big thing is that the Clippers needed and heartily welcome his scoring. It’s great to see some one in the long challenged Clipper SF position who can hit open shots and put some points up. The comparison to Maggette still holds interest, and Butler is a better basketball player and a better shooter, playing on a better team.
Good stuff, and his excellence makes Gomes less necessary and more serviceable as a backup. Not missing Aminu at all, sadly. Don’t mind losing projects when you get a high quality player out on the court in the present.
citizen zhiv - January 25, 2012
Faker fans just won't respect us it's beneath them.
Schedule loss? Really? Does every other team say that when they play a back to back. We didn’t say after the Utah blowout we were playing the night before then traveling onto alititude lever the next day, no we just said we came out flat or we just sucked or the only excuse was we were missing CP and Lil Mo. If they won even in the preseason, they would say “we still own L.A.” I would love to get this win tonight and they would have no choice but to say they are the 2nd best team in L.A. hahaha
Brian Ahmed - January 25, 2012
I understand blaming the slow schedule for why the Clips are doing so well
We have played only 14 games compared to a league average of 17. But the Lakers have no excuse as to why they aren’t doing well. Let’s compare the Lakers to their peers, shall we? 23 teams have played 17 or more games, so I will refrain from comparing the Lakers to the Warriors, Cavs, Pacers, Bucks, Celtics, Jazz, or Clippers (the Pacers, Jazz, and Clips are all above the Lakers in the standings).
So what about strength of schedule? Could that be why the Lakers aren’t playing well? Of the 23 teams with 17 or more games, the top 10 are (in order) the Lakers, Spurs, Hornets, Kings, Blazers, Rockets, Pistons, Grizzlies, Nets, and the Heat. So all of these teams have had tough schedules, and played lots games. How many have a better win% than the Lakers? That’d be the Spurs, Blazers, Rockets, Grizzlies, and Heat (a.k.a. the talented teams). The strength of schedule and # of games is more or less equal among these teams, and still, the good teams are winning and the bad teams are losing. San Antonio in particular has had almost the exact same situation as the Lakers, but are a game ahead. Oh, and that’s with Manu missing significant time. The fact that the Lakers find themselves below the Spurs, Blazers, Rockets, Grizzlies, and Heat has little to do with the schedule.
So I think that the Lakers (and the rest of the league) are perfectly fine blaming the slow schedule for why the Clips have been so successful so far, but I don’t think that the Lakers have should be complaining about their own schedule when no one else is complaining.
P.S. Other teams above the Lakers in the standings that have played at least 17 games: Chicago is 25th in SOS, OKC is 17th in SOS, Atlanta is 21st in SOS, Orlando is 24th in SOS, Denver is 20th in SOS, Philly is 29th SOS, and Dallas is 15th SOS.
P.P.S. And the Clips are 3rd in SOS. Very few games, but mostly tough opponents.
P.P.P.S. And also I noticed that Boston has a very low SOS, has had a lot of time to rest, and yet they are 7-9.
Erik O - January 25, 2012
"Lakers have a history of having problems containing quick point guards"
Been part of this community and this is my first post… but i can’t help but share this… when I read this, I just think this is a nicer way of saying “The Lakers have Derek Fisher”
Been a Clipper fan since elemetnary school when Rodney Rogers, Maurice Taylor, Lamond Murray, and Loy Vaughn were their best players lol
twistedwrister - January 25, 2012
Welcome!
It’s funny about this… no, Fish can’t defend quick point guards anymore. But isn’t Kobe Bryant supposed to be like first team all defense every single year? Why are the Lakers so vulnerable on the perimeter, if Kobe is so great a defender? Could it be that Kobe ain’t actually so great a defender?
Steve Perrin - January 25, 2012
Didn't you answer this yourself before?
Kobe’s a good defender. The difference though is Kobe would guard guys like Gomes or Billups, but not guys like CP3 or Gordon. Guys like Artest do the defense on quicker more dominating guys. So could he be a great defender? Yes. But is he used so that he defends the best guys on the other team? No. Most of his energy is conserved for the other end of the court.
JackduhSun - January 25, 2012
Just laying out bait
SP has written at length in the past about Kobe’s specious defense.
citizen zhiv - January 25, 2012
I feel like a geezer
I was the same year at Cal as Lamond Murray.
ganima - January 25, 2012
Huge game for the Clippers....
People around the league, especially the Lakers, are not giving the Clippers credit. Gasol, Barnes, Fisher, etc are saying our schedule has not been that tough. They don’t realize it’s quality of teams > quantity of teams. The Clippers have won against great opponents. Tonight’s game will test the Clippers and it would be VERY NICE if we get our 10th win against this struggling Lakers team.
Hengtime81 - January 25, 2012
The Lakers definately need this one
Losing at home against the Pacers hurt them big time. I think the problem has to do with the bench. As of now, the Lakers have nobody to step up. MWP has been a complete failure. He’s fat, out of shape, and has gotten progressively worse since he has been with the Lakers.
Jeffrey Thompson - January 25, 2012
I don't care what the Lakers think
Of course I want to beat them, but it’s more about sizing ourselves up as a team than anything else. If their players talk some trash in the press, then it shows that we have their attention. Meanwhile, the stronger we really are, the less we should care about what they say. I want them to be more irrelevant to us than we are to them.
SilverClip - January 25, 2012
Kobe has the highest usage rate in the history of the stat
Awesome find. That just fits. So much.
Michael White - January 25, 2012
Pau’s been asking for more touches after the two losses versus Indiana and Orlando. It will be interesting to see how Mike Brown and the Lakers incorporate him into the offense against us tonight.
everettr - January 25, 2012
I can't even imagine the dumbass comments
That will spawn on Facebook and ESPN if the Lakers win tonight. Clippers need to win so we can avoid seeing such a large amount of idiotic comments all over the internet so I can avoid losing faith in humanity again.
Ricekrispy10 - January 25, 2012 via mobile
One excuse is that this is a regular season game to them, for us (clippers) it’s game 7 of the finals. Or another stupid one, look at the 16 championships.
Edmund81 - January 25, 2012 via mobile
We can beat them without CP3.
But having him will be the cherry on top. Even if he plays limited minutes. The lakers look desperate.
tenkaistar - January 25, 2012
If there is even a bit of a twinge do not play him.
As a fan it is great to look forward to but looks at the Clippers insane schedule starting Sunday. They DO NOT have more than one day off between games the rest of the year. We need everybody healthy to get through this.
PV Mike - January 25, 2012
Regarding the picture above
Its looks like CP is taller than Bynum which means he has to be at least 2 feet up in the air… haha
deux02 - January 25, 2012
The fact that this is a Laker home game...
…makes a big difference. Last year the Clips got routed by the Lakers on the Lakers’ home floor and the Lakers barely eeked out one of the two games on the Clips floor. The Laker home crowd is aware of the importance, almost desperation the Lakers are feeling. So, I’m not all that confident, but if the Clips play well, they’ll win.
saxmanager - January 25, 2012
If the Clippers score more points than the Lakes, they'll win
pegitom - January 25, 2012
Who knew!!!
saxmanager - January 25, 2012
Interesting article...
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/columns/nba/story/_/id/7495751/chris-paul-forever-changed-los-angeles-lakers-clippers
saxmanager - January 25, 2012
Regarding Benches
Ouch. Clips only have 6 players over .500 TSP (most are well below .500) See here.
That said as bad as the Clips bench is Mo and Evans > McRoberts and Blake. The rest of the guys should be thankful to still be in the NBA.
ClipperChuck - January 25, 2012
6 is not that low
I mean how many players are actually in the rotation 8-10.
XXDC2XX - January 25, 2012
Regular season
should be 8-10. Playoffs is a different story where you go 8 deep with the starters getting close to 40mpg barring a blowout.
Also out of curiosity looked up the average TS% in the NBA, its actually 52.1%.
ClipperChuck - January 25, 2012
Must be the lockout
Shooting has been at is lowest since the last short season.
XXDC2XX - January 25, 2012
We are still looking at the average
so Clips only have 6 players at the average or better. The Nuggets have 13 (everyone).
ClipperChuck - January 25, 2012
yup nuggets are really deep
Guessing our 6 are Blake,DJ,Paul,Mo,Butler and Billups ??
XXDC2XX - January 25, 2012
Yea
Clips still need that versatile swingman and solid backup 5.
ClipperChuck - January 25, 2012
Ouch? Results are inconclusive.
ORL: 6 players
OKC: 8 players (Cole Aldrich)
SAS: 9 players
CHI: 10 players (Jimmy Butler and Mike James)
PHI: 9 players
IND: 6 players (Jeff Foster)
DAL: 7 players (Sean Williams and Brandan Wright)
MIA: 5 players (Mickell Gladess, Eddy Curry, Dexter Pittman, Terrel Harris, and Mike Miller)
DEN: Every single player on the team <— holy crap
ATL: Every single player on the team (except Donald Sloan with 20 mins played) <— holy crap
LAC: 6 players (Fortson)
LAL: 8 players
MEM: 6 players (Hamed Haddadi)
HOU: 7 players (Hasheem Thabeet and Jeff Adrien)
POR: 6 players (Chris Johnson)
UTA: 7 players (Jeremy Evans)
I think you need at least 6 (Miami’s group of low-minute guys can roll into 1 player’s minutes) just to score points. Some other guys can fall below the .500 TS% line as long as they aren’t taking a lot of shots, like Reggie, and be productive elsewhere. Denver and Atlanta both have almost every player contributing to scoring, but are they the best teams in the league? I’m gonna take a look at teams by the end of last season (in case there are some outliers in this small sample size).
Erik O - January 25, 2012
Should say "# of players..."
Erik O - January 25, 2012
Well damn
DAL: 15 players (18 total, 83%)
MIA: 14 players (17 total, 82%)
DEN: 14 players (19 total, 74%)
CHI: 11 players (15 total, 73%)
OKC: 13 players (18 total, 72%)
BOS: 15 players (21 total, 71%)
NYK: 14 players (20 total, 70%)
ORL: 11 players (17 total, 65%)
ATL: 11 players (17 total, 65%)
SAS: 12 players (20 total, 60%)
LAL: 9 players (16 total, 56%)
HOU: 11 players (20 total, 55%)
PHI: 8 players (15 total, 53%)
POR: 9 players (18 total, 50%)
NOH: 9 players (19 total, 47%)
I suppose there are a few outliers, but it’s pretty indicative that the top 2 teams in the league both had the top 2 percentage of players with TS% over 50%. This is pretty conclusive that CC is right.
Erik O - January 25, 2012
(again, excluding any players with less than 100 mins played)
Erik O - January 25, 2012
You are starting to get it
its pretty simple really. Play good D (mainly effort and scheme based), take care of the ball (Clips are there with CP3 in charge) and take good shots (Clipper starters are mainly there, Mo is good off the bench, rest is gross). Clips at home can play with anyone, especially with rest but we will see how they respond on the road against good teams.
ClipperChuck - January 25, 2012
This will be a good test for sure.
We’ll find out if this team can be elite (i.e. if Foye, Cook, Gomes can play as well as they have in their best days) or if this team is just really good (i.e. if Foye, Cook, Gomes continue to produce so little). Statistically, anyway.
Erik O - January 25, 2012
Agree
However even with easy shots you got to have guys who can make them. There are a number of players who get easy shots around the basket but can’t finish.
Buddahfan - January 25, 2012
Funny how Lakers fan call Blake a d-bag over at SSR
Wonder what they called Bynum after he try to kill Barea in the WCF last season.
XXDC2XX - January 25, 2012
Or when Derek Fisher smashes Luis scolas face or the brawl at Detroit or Lamar Odoms dunk incident last year or the rapist… Their entire team is full of douches. At least Blake has some game, who cares what scrubs like Matt Barnes thinks.
andrewexd - January 25, 2012 via mobile
I just read that.
Wouldn’t be the case if Blake was on their team god forbid.
All I see is a guy who out hustles most of the people on the floor, and all I hear are excuses about why people can’t keep up.
EJay - January 25, 2012 via mobile
That is amazing. They’ve turned their game preview thread the “Blake Griffin is a douche bag” thread. I seem to remember last year every Laker fan telling me that Blake would be a Laker in 2 years. I really don’t get the hostility towards the Clippers by Laker fans. Indifference I get, hatred not so much. And by the way Laker fans stop saying that the Clippers and their fans are the ones trying to make this a rivalry. The only people I see talking shit are the Lakers and their fans. Clippers haven’t said a word. Oh and a second by the way, when Kobe is on your team you would think that you would lay off the d-bag comments and devoting game preview threads to Blake bashing. I didn’t see Steve bringing up Kobe’s “indiscretions” and Kobe’s d-baggery in his preview.
lbclips - January 25, 2012 via mobile
So The Clippers Are Playing Again
No doubt the home/road schedule has been to the Clippers advantage so far with only four games away from Staples in the first month of the season and only 14 total games so far.
The Clippers have had by the far the easiest schedule so far in terms of days off and travel days.
Going to get a lot tougher in these areas starting Feb 1st.
With 9 of their 14 games in February road games playing over .500 ball for February would be a good sign.
Buddahfan - January 25, 2012
Good luck on the game Clip nation
Should be a good one, hopefully CP3 can get back on the court and deliver a nice performance for you guys… Got my fingers crossed that the Lakers make some 3’s but jeez that is wishful thinking with this team…. Go Lakers!!!! and good luck Clippers!!
Funkensteinn - January 25, 2012
Steve Blake needs to come back and provide a 3-point threat. With Morris there, CP3/Mo Williams can just sag off and double team the bigs.
Erik O - January 25, 2012
Respectful Laker fans win my vote
JackduhSun - January 25, 2012
Issac Loencron of Clippers _980am
Reads (and dips from) this blog. Man he used so much stuff. Mike Smith isn’t the only one.
Steve, you’re doing the lion shares of work here.
Let me correct it and say Mike Smith and Issacs star people (if Isaac has one) read from this blog.
Takebb909 - January 25, 2012 via mobile
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