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Clippers vs. Hornets - Game Preview and Open Thread

New Orleans @ Los Angeles Clippers


 

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2-11 7-5
Staples Center
November 24, 2008 - 7:30 PM
TV: FSN West
Probable starters:
Baron Davis
PG Chris Paul
Ricky Davis?
SG Morris Peterson
Al Thornton SF Peja Stojakovic
Marcus Camby
PF David West
Chris Kaman
C Tyson Chandler

The Big Picture:

The Clippers will play their first game with Zach Randolph tonight, but with so little practice time, who knows how it will go.  While the trade of Cat Mobley and Tim Thomas for Randolph and Mardy Collins clearly gives the team an upgrade of top tier NBA talent, it just as clearly makes their front court very crowded while leaving a big hole at the shooting guard.  Yes, there are lots of minutes for three big men and 30+ for each of them would theoretically be fine.  And maybe they can actually play all three of them together some as MDsr maintains, although I'm dubious about that.  But the simple fact is that having three bigs making $10M+ each is not usually a recipe for success.  So we'll see.  At the same time, the team was 2-9 at the time of the trade (they're 2-11 now after two short-handed losses), so what they were doing wasn't working and the Clippers are trying something different - which is reasonable.  The trade asks a whole slew of new questions - we'll begin to find out the answers tonight.

The Antagonist:

The Hornets were Western Conference Semi-Finalists a season ago, and with a young and improving core - in particular MVP candidate Chris Paul - expectations are very high for this team.  Viewed through that prism their 7-5 start has got to be considered a disappointment.  You think we were disappointed around here to lose a home game to the Kings playing without Kevin Martin?  How do you think Hornets fans felt when the same thing happened last week?  (By the way, props to Reggie Theus for having that Kings team playing hard.)  I always questoined the Hornets' depth last season, and it seems to be an ongoing issue.  The off-season addition of James Posey helps - but wasn't that the one position where they already had some depth?  With Mike James deep in Byron Scott's doghouse, the backup point guard is Devin Brown - not a point guard, in other words.  The first big off the bench is Hilton Armstrong.  And although hopes were very high for second year player Julian Wright coming into the season, he's actually averaging FEWER minutes in the first 12 games than he played as a 20 year old rookie.  Byron does get down on guys who don't play his way - witness his J.R. Smith - but the Hornets really need to develop a bench if they expect to move deeper into the playoffs.  Still, the starters are terrific.  Paul and David West are coming off all star seasons.  Peja Stojakovic can still shoot the three (although his overall percentage is actually lower than his three point percentage so far this season) and Tyson Chandler is a terrific defender and rebounder at the center.  The two guard remains a little bit of a weak link, something the Clippers now know well.  It doesn't help that Morris Peterson has missed the last couple of games with a sore knee, though he is supposed to be back tonight.

The Subplots

  • Boom Dizzle and CP3.  In the Q&A I did with At the Hive earlier today, they reminded me about some nasty battles between Baron Davis and Chris Paul in the past.  Maybe Baron is just pissed at his former team.  Maybe it's something else.  But look for some fireworks between these two elite point guards.
  • Defending the Screen and Roll.  Yikes.  Camby doesn't really thrive showing on the screen and roll.  Kaman's not bad, but it's not an ideal situation for him either.  And good defensive rotations tend to require a lot of team practice and togetherness - not really the 2008-2009 Clippers profile.  So we could see a whole lot of Tyson Chandler dunking lobs and David West drilling wide open 17 footers on the pick-and-pop.  CP3 could get 20 assists.  And if all that happens, it won't end well for the Clippers.
  • Zach Randolph.  Who knows what's going to happen with this?  The guy's a monster on offense.  And his best play (which also happens to be a favorite of MDsr) is 'Gimme the ball.'  So how much practice time do they need for that?
  • Shooting Guard.  Ricky Davis is 2 for 14 in his two starts at the shooting guard - he managed to be worse than he had been earlier in the season, which was not easy.  Eric Gordon hasn't been nearly as bad as Buckets, but he's looked very much like the talented 19 year old rookie he is, replete with rookie mistakes.  The good news is that with either Peterson or Rasual Butler on the other side, the defensive assignment is pretty straightforward - defend the three point line.  So maybe it's an opportunity to start the rookie without fear of getting lit up.  And no, Mardy Collins is not the answer.
  • Shots for Kaman.  Today's LA Times talks about the need to get Chris Kaman more shots.  That's a combination of things - more touches for the guy, and more willingness to shoot on his part.  Of course, his problem is his tendency to overthink things, and talking about the problem isn't really going to help there.  
  • Coaching Changes.  Worst record in the league - Thunder.  Coach PJ Carlesimo - fired.  Second worst record in the league - Wizards.  Coach Eddie Jordan - fired.  Third worst record in the league - Clippers.  MDsr isn't likely going anywhere, for several reasons.  Donald Sterling still owes him real money, which is not something he usually parts with easily.  The fact that MDsr was made the GM about a month ago only complicates things further.  But it's worth noting that no one expected anything from the Thunder, and the Wizards are missing their franchise player, which was MDsr's 'Get out of Jail Free' card last season.  The Clippers on the other hand had fairly high, if possibly unrealistic, expectations.  So in a normal world, MDsr's seat would be very, very hot, if not already in flames.  But Clips Nation is not a normal world.  GM Dunleavy is no doubt convinced that Coach Dunleavy just needs some time to work with his new personnel before the team turns their season around.  We'll see. 

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Is Zach playing tonight?
Don't know...

Press availability at 5:30 today…. Ralph said he would play during Saturday’s broadcast. I assume he’ll play if he doesn’t fail the physical.

according to the clippers pregame report

he is
http://www.nba.com/clippers/games/pregame_NOHLAC_081124.html
should be an interesting game

Bad News

ZACH RANDOLPH IS NOT PLAYING TONIGHT! Very sad. According to 710 ESPN, and a local media source (Eric from HoopsWorld), the physical was not done in time and Randolph, nor Collins, will suit up.

Can this team do anything right?!

Are you sure it was us?

I’m hearing NYK was the ones taking their time with the physicals since they don’t have a game tonight.

I'm hearing it is Cat and Tim's physical...

Funny thing is, the front line has been ok. Zach wasn’t going to do a lot tonight, let’s face facts. But still, I’m going to this game… would have been interesting to see him.

Unbelievable...

At least if we’re going to play short handed again, let’s give DeAndre some minutes. Even if we lose by 50 tonight, it will be entertaining…I am regretting my season tix renewal now. The good thing is, if anybody is interested, you can score season seats near the Clippers bench next season as there will be alot more exodus after this disastrous campaign. All you passionate anti-Dunleavy folks can scream into his ear to your heart’s content…

"Gimme the ball"

I have a feeling that ZBO and Dun are in for an interesting relationship. Skills wise, Zach has all of the offensive skills that a guy like Dunleavy covets, as CS pointed out. Coach loves guys that can post up and draw a double team. If the double doesn’t come, it should lead to a close, high % shot. That, essentially, is the Dunleavy offense. I think they will be on the same page here.

Of course, the double-team probably will come if it is Zach Randolph holding the ball on the block. It has to. The guy is way to skilled down low. Step two of MDSr’s extensive offensive playbook is the passing out of the double-team. This is something that we have watched both Elton Brand and Chris Kaman steadily improve at over the years. I have not seen a whole lot of Zach’s game, but from what I hear, passing back out is not exactly his strong suit (nor his desire). We know how Dunleavy feels about shot selection. What I am really looking forward to is MRSr’s reaction the first time THIS happens (I love that video).

And then there is defense. As ClipperBlog said in his not-so-glowing piece before the Randolph trade, Zach has “demonstrated neither a desire nor the aptitude to play defense”. We have seen lesser talents like Chris Wilcox and James Singleton languish on the pines for their supposed lack of defensive prowess in practice, despite our desires as fans to see them play. I don’t expect the same fate for ZBO, I do wonder where he is gong to fall on the deflections chart.

The good news is that Dunleavy emphasizes team defense over individual skill. His system does make it possible for very mediocore individual defenders to succeed if they make the effort. So who knows.

After carefully thinking about it, I think the guy is very talented and should be quite effective on the block with Kaman. It is kind of like Dunleavy’s wet dream to have two skilled bigs requiring DT’s in the post, and a PG that can get them the ball. Good luck.

Nice Roundup

Should be an easier matchup for Gordon tonight. If he can take advantage, maybe that can help his confidence. Have been reading a lot of positive things about Randolph lately, but there’s a lot more to the contrary that follows him around.

I can't imagine Randolph playing more than limited minutes

I’m going to guess he’s going to be in the 10-15 minute area for this game. His offense and MDsr’s offense may match, however Zach has got to learn our defense which will take more time.

I’ll try to catch the 4th quarter of this game tonight, hopefully when I tune in, it won’t be a complete route.

The last paragraph made me laugh...

and made my heart hurt at the same time.

Welcome Clipper fans!

Was it the misusage?

En route to a rout?
Pretty funny.

I'm lost

What are you talking about?

At this point, I just want a win

I don’t care if we signed Lucifer himself if we can get a *&$ win.

Agreed

Yeah man, bring on Marbury and Q Ross….

ZBo

OUT for this game. Complications with his physical.

Oops

Didn’t realize how late I was with this.

Pay attention Citizen

Oh crap. I sound a bit like Ralph Lawler.

Hurtin'

Last thing we needed was EJ to roll an ankle…

At Least

They’re finally getting the point to not let Ricky Davis play…

Paul Davis' Glare

Never really noticed how much Davis(3) squints his eyes, seems to always have the same impression. Give him a couple of cool points…

He is cool

until he tries that turn around fade away.

But his girlfriend earns him a pass.

Gordon Assists

He only has 3 so far on the night, but they’ve all been pretty sweet.

Killers

Clippers: Thornton (5-18 FG), Kaman – Mr. Flippy + 7 Rebounds/ 40 Minutes.

Hornets: West (12-21 FG), 27 Pts.

damn

our bench just sucks…

Mobley has heart problems...holding up trade
i got a new name for AT

Al “Jabby” Thornton…why does he jab on open looks!? allows guys to close in when he does that

yeah seriously. al thornton loves the iso.

"The Lizard"

Is what I call Mike Taylor.

lol...that's a good one!...he does look like one!

deandre jordan could’ve gotten an oop which would’ve blew the roof off the building. but instead, chris paul defended it well so he couldn’t grasp it. deandre also airballed a free throw. but at least he played right?

Great to have cheap center court seats

Didn’t really seem like the Hornets cared much. Its like you know the Clippers are just going to lose it late in the game anyway. So dead at Staples tonight. Don’t know what else to say. Gordon got 25 pts, but didn’t look that good. He’s only 19 though.

Gordon was awesome...

Hmm I don’ t know, the Staples Center seems more packed tonight than usual this year. Even the 300 sections were filled up, though they might have given those tickets away. Both Taylor and Gordon played their hearts out and Gordon got most of his 25 points in the second half after going to the locker room with the sprained ankle in the 1st. Ricky Davis not getting any minutes at all today was a move in the right direction by Dunleavy. So we have some positive developments tonight even though we ended up 2-12. But seriously, I didn’t think we would win these three games at home anyways. I’m looking for growth from the rookies and competitiveness from the team at this point rather than actual wins.

300s

Lots of groups. But you know what, that’s a fine strategy for a struggling team.

Ricky had tendinitis in his knee. It wasn’t a case of MDsr giving up on him. He couldn’t go. We still need him, at least to back up the three. So it would be good if he could make a shot or two this season.

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